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		<title>by: Julie Universal</title>
		<link>http://www.neilshearing.com/2008/07/09/google-thin-affiliate-site-myth-exploded/#comment-144093</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.neilshearing.com/2008/07/09/google-thin-affiliate-site-myth-exploded/#comment-144093</guid>
					<description>Great insight.  Thanks for the video.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great insight.  Thanks for the video.
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		<title>by: Neil_Shearing</title>
		<link>http://www.neilshearing.com/2008/07/09/google-thin-affiliate-site-myth-exploded/#comment-142931</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.neilshearing.com/2008/07/09/google-thin-affiliate-site-myth-exploded/#comment-142931</guid>
					<description>Well, as long as the person who owned the domain before you wasn't a blackhat spammer, I don't think you have anything at all to worry about.

And, yes, Google doesn't tell you all the links it knows about, which is why I did a Yahoo search for that information first.

Build more pages, get more links naturally, let your domain age and you'll climb the rankings for &quot;scotland hotels&quot; over time.

Neil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as long as the person who owned the domain before you wasn&#8217;t a blackhat spammer, I don&#8217;t think you have anything at all to worry about.</p>
<p>And, yes, Google doesn&#8217;t tell you all the links it knows about, which is why I did a Yahoo search for that information first.</p>
<p>Build more pages, get more links naturally, let your domain age and you&#8217;ll climb the rankings for &#8220;scotland hotels&#8221; over time.</p>
<p>Neil.
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		<title>by: Scotland Hotels</title>
		<link>http://www.neilshearing.com/2008/07/09/google-thin-affiliate-site-myth-exploded/#comment-142930</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.neilshearing.com/2008/07/09/google-thin-affiliate-site-myth-exploded/#comment-142930</guid>
					<description>Yes Neil, some of those links are legacy links from the person that owned this domain before I did. I really do appreciate you looking into this for me. I know I sounded discouraged but im not a web expert and sometimes its hard going wading through the maze of information, and the conflicting things people tell me. I've had to muddle through things myself and try to figure things out. Incidentally the site is linked to from sites like tripadvisor and a few others, and google sees them on my sitemap but doesnt seem to see them with the link: command. I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just suspicious of googles approach to affilliate sites, which is friustrating because the program I use is legitamate and legal, and in fact many folk have emailed me saying they find the site very useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Neil, some of those links are legacy links from the person that owned this domain before I did. I really do appreciate you looking into this for me. I know I sounded discouraged but im not a web expert and sometimes its hard going wading through the maze of information, and the conflicting things people tell me. I&#8217;ve had to muddle through things myself and try to figure things out. Incidentally the site is linked to from sites like tripadvisor and a few others, and google sees them on my sitemap but doesnt seem to see them with the link: command. I&#8217;m not disagreeing with you, I&#8217;m just suspicious of googles approach to affilliate sites, which is friustrating because the program I use is legitamate and legal, and in fact many folk have emailed me saying they find the site very useful.
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		<title>by: Neil_Shearing</title>
		<link>http://www.neilshearing.com/2008/07/09/google-thin-affiliate-site-myth-exploded/#comment-142820</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.neilshearing.com/2008/07/09/google-thin-affiliate-site-myth-exploded/#comment-142820</guid>
					<description>I did some quick research on Yahoo for your links... they say your site has 430 links pointing to it, but of those 430, 427 point to the homepage.

That doesn't seem like natural linking.. 99.3% of external links pointing to your homepage.

Also, a large percentage of those links are from scottishhighland.com, onestarhotels.net and scottishweb.net.

Google only reports 12 links into your site, 6 of which are from scottishweb.net, 2 from scottishhighland.com, one from your own site and two from some wordpress tags. 

&gt;&gt; It's not enough to rank your site highly. &lt;&lt;

I think you need more diversity of links. Try submitting articles to article directories.

Neil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did some quick research on Yahoo for your links&#8230; they say your site has 430 links pointing to it, but of those 430, 427 point to the homepage.</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t seem like natural linking.. 99.3% of external links pointing to your homepage.</p>
<p>Also, a large percentage of those links are from scottishhighland.com, onestarhotels.net and scottishweb.net.</p>
<p>Google only reports 12 links into your site, 6 of which are from scottishweb.net, 2 from scottishhighland.com, one from your own site and two from some wordpress tags. </p>
<p>>> It&#8217;s not enough to rank your site highly. <<</p>
<p>I think you need more diversity of links. Try submitting articles to article directories.</p>
<p>Neil.
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		<title>by: Neil_Shearing</title>
		<link>http://www.neilshearing.com/2008/07/09/google-thin-affiliate-site-myth-exploded/#comment-142818</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.neilshearing.com/2008/07/09/google-thin-affiliate-site-myth-exploded/#comment-142818</guid>
					<description>Hi Stewart,

We'll just have to agree to disagree, then. Your site is in the Google index. Your site has PageRank. Your site is listed at position 202 for a competitive keyphrase, and your ranking may well rise over time as you add unique content, keep the site online and gain links.

I don't see a problem, but everyone's entitled to their own opinion, and yours seems to be that your site has had some kind of penalty applied because it's an &quot;affiliate site&quot;.

I wonder if that penalty applies to all sites that use affiliate links? This blog does... and so do many, many other high ranking websites.

Neil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stewart,</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll just have to agree to disagree, then. Your site is in the Google index. Your site has PageRank. Your site is listed at position 202 for a competitive keyphrase, and your ranking may well rise over time as you add unique content, keep the site online and gain links.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see a problem, but everyone&#8217;s entitled to their own opinion, and yours seems to be that your site has had some kind of penalty applied because it&#8217;s an &#8220;affiliate site&#8221;.</p>
<p>I wonder if that penalty applies to all sites that use affiliate links? This blog does&#8230; and so do many, many other high ranking websites.</p>
<p>Neil.
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		<title>by: Scotland Hotels</title>
		<link>http://www.neilshearing.com/2008/07/09/google-thin-affiliate-site-myth-exploded/#comment-142812</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.neilshearing.com/2008/07/09/google-thin-affiliate-site-myth-exploded/#comment-142812</guid>
					<description>Yes Neil, I dont disagree with you about the other keyphrases, but with respect my site has quite a number of links, a lot of which have &quot;scotland hotels&quot; in them, many pages with that phrase, its in my domain name and yet my site is nowhere to be found for that term. 400,000 is not many for google. Even my Edinburgh city council directory entry, which is just a name and address, appears halfway through the results. Theres no doubt to me that if I am nowhere to be found in 50 pages of results for that many content pages, and with that many links, even from a government site, with that being the name of my business, six months later, its seems very likely to me. My friend with the software company said today &quot; stewart there are pages with one sentence appearing in that set of results and your site isn't. Google has 900'd your site for being an affilliate site, your site should be there and it isnt.&quot;

I apologise to your readers for using up the forum like this, and I thank you Neil for the effort you have made on my behalf. But this is the whole problem with this industry. One person says one thing, one says another, and the business is left guessing what to do. Its cost me a lot of money and a lot of heartache. This shouldn't be a black art to get into the serps, or guess whether you've been punished or not. Googles monopoly position with uk search makes it unfair for them to dictate terms and just keep saying &quot;its our index&quot;. If a utility company was doing that, they'd get rapped on the knuckels.

Thankyou readers, and I'm sure you, and Neil, can understand my frustration.

S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Neil, I dont disagree with you about the other keyphrases, but with respect my site has quite a number of links, a lot of which have &#8220;scotland hotels&#8221; in them, many pages with that phrase, its in my domain name and yet my site is nowhere to be found for that term. 400,000 is not many for google. Even my Edinburgh city council directory entry, which is just a name and address, appears halfway through the results. Theres no doubt to me that if I am nowhere to be found in 50 pages of results for that many content pages, and with that many links, even from a government site, with that being the name of my business, six months later, its seems very likely to me. My friend with the software company said today &#8221; stewart there are pages with one sentence appearing in that set of results and your site isn&#8217;t. Google has 900&#8242;d your site for being an affilliate site, your site should be there and it isnt.&#8221;</p>
<p>I apologise to your readers for using up the forum like this, and I thank you Neil for the effort you have made on my behalf. But this is the whole problem with this industry. One person says one thing, one says another, and the business is left guessing what to do. Its cost me a lot of money and a lot of heartache. This shouldn&#8217;t be a black art to get into the serps, or guess whether you&#8217;ve been punished or not. Googles monopoly position with uk search makes it unfair for them to dictate terms and just keep saying &#8220;its our index&#8221;. If a utility company was doing that, they&#8217;d get rapped on the knuckels.</p>
<p>Thankyou readers, and I&#8217;m sure you, and Neil, can understand my frustration.</p>
<p>S.
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		<title>by: Neil_Shearing</title>
		<link>http://www.neilshearing.com/2008/07/09/google-thin-affiliate-site-myth-exploded/#comment-142810</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.neilshearing.com/2008/07/09/google-thin-affiliate-site-myth-exploded/#comment-142810</guid>
					<description>&gt;I have to optimise for terms that are actually being searched for.&lt;

Yes, you do.

But you also need to be realistic.

Try &quot;great scotland hotels&quot;, &quot;best scotland hotels&quot;, luxury scotland hotels, &quot;great scottish hotels&quot;, &quot;best scottish hotels&quot;, luxury scottish hotels, &quot;hotels in scotland&quot;. 

You'll get more traffic from a dozen longer tail key phrases, than one competitive phrase. Fighting 400,000 other pages that *exactly* match your primary keyphrase is not doing you any favours.

I found hotels.about.com (a major website) with PageRank4, on the fourth page of search results for &quot;scotland hotels&quot;. 

I don't see you being penalised. I see you competing for a phrase you're not going to rank highly for without a lot more effort.

OK, digging deeper, I found your site on page 21 of the search results. The Title of your homepage badly lets you down. Instead of just &quot;Scotland Hotels&quot;, use something like, &quot;Scotland Hotels, for the best Hotels in Scotland&quot;. I think that will help. I also think that being the 202nd result out of 347,000 is a pretty good start, and you can get that higher with more hard work.

You could also use the Google Adwords Keyword tool to dig up more useful, low-competition keyphrases. I just found...

edinburgh hotels
glasgow hotels
scotland breaks
hotel inverness
scotland accommodation
inverness hotels
loch hotel
hotel oban
loch hotels
hotel pitlochry
scotland luxury hotels
the scotland hotel
aberdeen scotland hotels
hotel perth scotland
perth scotland hotels
scotland hotel deals
cheap scotland hotels
hotel breaks scotland
hotels dumfries scotland
castle hotel scotland
scotland spa hotels
luxury hotels in scotland 

Neil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>I have to optimise for terms that are actually being searched for.<</p>
<p>Yes, you do.</p>
<p>But you also need to be realistic.</p>
<p>Try &#8220;great scotland hotels&#8221;, &#8220;best scotland hotels&#8221;, luxury scotland hotels, &#8220;great scottish hotels&#8221;, &#8220;best scottish hotels&#8221;, luxury scottish hotels, &#8220;hotels in scotland&#8221;. </p>
<p>You&#8217;ll get more traffic from a dozen longer tail key phrases, than one competitive phrase. Fighting 400,000 other pages that *exactly* match your primary keyphrase is not doing you any favours.</p>
<p>I found hotels.about.com (a major website) with PageRank4, on the fourth page of search results for &#8220;scotland hotels&#8221;. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see you being penalised. I see you competing for a phrase you&#8217;re not going to rank highly for without a lot more effort.</p>
<p>OK, digging deeper, I found your site on page 21 of the search results. The Title of your homepage badly lets you down. Instead of just &#8220;Scotland Hotels&#8221;, use something like, &#8220;Scotland Hotels, for the best Hotels in Scotland&#8221;. I think that will help. I also think that being the 202nd result out of 347,000 is a pretty good start, and you can get that higher with more hard work.</p>
<p>You could also use the Google Adwords Keyword tool to dig up more useful, low-competition keyphrases. I just found&#8230;</p>
<p>edinburgh hotels<br />
glasgow hotels<br />
scotland breaks<br />
hotel inverness<br />
scotland accommodation<br />
inverness hotels<br />
loch hotel<br />
hotel oban<br />
loch hotels<br />
hotel pitlochry<br />
scotland luxury hotels<br />
the scotland hotel<br />
aberdeen scotland hotels<br />
hotel perth scotland<br />
perth scotland hotels<br />
scotland hotel deals<br />
cheap scotland hotels<br />
hotel breaks scotland<br />
hotels dumfries scotland<br />
castle hotel scotland<br />
scotland spa hotels<br />
luxury hotels in scotland </p>
<p>Neil.
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		<title>by: Scotland Hotels</title>
		<link>http://www.neilshearing.com/2008/07/09/google-thin-affiliate-site-myth-exploded/#comment-142782</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yes I agree with your comment about more pages,and I am working on that. however, this is a commercial site and the key phrase is &quot;scotland hotels&quot; which, under a UK based search, returns approx 400,000 results. A friend of mine who works for a software development company in Edinburgh assures me this is not a big number, and the fact is that Google will present 50 pages of reults for Scotland Hotels. There are pages with ONE paragraph using the term &quot;scotland hotels&quot; appearing in the reults, and yet I have lots of content and the majority of links pointing to my site that induce that term. To not appear at all, anywhere at all for that term, is surely a sign of being penalised. There is no point in optimising for phrases that are not being searched for. I'm even linked to by a government site, which si a huge benchmark for google, and yet no apearance. I have to optimise for terms that are actually being searched for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I agree with your comment about more pages,and I am working on that. however, this is a commercial site and the key phrase is &#8220;scotland hotels&#8221; which, under a UK based search, returns approx 400,000 results. A friend of mine who works for a software development company in Edinburgh assures me this is not a big number, and the fact is that Google will present 50 pages of reults for Scotland Hotels. There are pages with ONE paragraph using the term &#8220;scotland hotels&#8221; appearing in the reults, and yet I have lots of content and the majority of links pointing to my site that induce that term. To not appear at all, anywhere at all for that term, is surely a sign of being penalised. There is no point in optimising for phrases that are not being searched for. I&#8217;m even linked to by a government site, which si a huge benchmark for google, and yet no apearance. I have to optimise for terms that are actually being searched for.
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		<title>by: Neil_Shearing</title>
		<link>http://www.neilshearing.com/2008/07/09/google-thin-affiliate-site-myth-exploded/#comment-142757</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.neilshearing.com/2008/07/09/google-thin-affiliate-site-myth-exploded/#comment-142757</guid>
					<description>You have 84 pages in Google...

google.co.uk/search?hl=en&amp;q=site%3Awww.hotelsinscotland.org&amp;btnG=Google+Search&amp;meta=

... and the homepage is PageRank 3.

I don't think Google is penalising your site, but 84 pages is not a whole lot to get traffic from.

Your problem is competition. When I search for &quot;THE COPTHORNE HOTEL ABERDEEN&quot;, using quotes, I get 907 results but when I search for &quot;quality service received when staying at The Copthorne Hotel in Aberdeen&quot;, yours is the only result.

You either need more pages, or more links to your current pages to out rank the competition.

Neil. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have 84 pages in Google&#8230;</p>
<p>google.co.uk/search?hl=en&#038;q=site%3Awww.hotelsinscotland.org&#038;btnG=Google+Search&#038;meta=</p>
<p>&#8230; and the homepage is PageRank 3.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Google is penalising your site, but 84 pages is not a whole lot to get traffic from.</p>
<p>Your problem is competition. When I search for &#8220;THE COPTHORNE HOTEL ABERDEEN&#8221;, using quotes, I get 907 results but when I search for &#8220;quality service received when staying at The Copthorne Hotel in Aberdeen&#8221;, yours is the only result.</p>
<p>You either need more pages, or more links to your current pages to out rank the competition.</p>
<p>Neil.
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		<title>by: Scotland Hotels</title>
		<link>http://www.neilshearing.com/2008/07/09/google-thin-affiliate-site-myth-exploded/#comment-142756</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>What you are saying is correct but I'm not sure if I entirely agree. I am a disabled guy in the highlands of Scotland, and I live in the middle of nowhere. I decided to build a site about Scottish Hotels, and use a hotel booking database (affilliate program) to generate money. I have over 200 inbound links to the site (all legit) and over 50 pages of unique content. Six months later and my site is nowhere to be seen on Google. In fact, if you run a search for &quot;Scotland Hotels&quot; and go through every page on Google, its not there. However, Google says my site is in its index and my sitemaps etc seem to show that to be true.

What you are saying is right with regards to phrases that have no current results on Google, but practically what use is that? I could build a site called &quot;badgers using plug-in kettles on ice&quot; tomorrow and I bet I could get straight to the top of Google for that phrase.

My point is this. I am only using the Scottish part f the hotel booking database, I've written a blog which is updated regularly, I've written over 50 pages of unique content, what visitors I've had (from yahoo) say they find my site very useful, and yet it's nowhere to be seen on Google. There is no question to me that Google is penalising my site for being an affilliate. The affilliate program is perfectly legitimate, perfectly legal and above board. I poured all my savings into getting my site done, and I believe its of genuine use to people looking for Scotland Hotels. However, because Google conrols 80% of the UK search market, they can dictate terms to little guys like me. Its just wrong, in my opinion. I am very disheartened by the whole experience, and my little dream of being able to make money from my remote highland home is fading fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you are saying is correct but I&#8217;m not sure if I entirely agree. I am a disabled guy in the highlands of Scotland, and I live in the middle of nowhere. I decided to build a site about Scottish Hotels, and use a hotel booking database (affilliate program) to generate money. I have over 200 inbound links to the site (all legit) and over 50 pages of unique content. Six months later and my site is nowhere to be seen on Google. In fact, if you run a search for &#8220;Scotland Hotels&#8221; and go through every page on Google, its not there. However, Google says my site is in its index and my sitemaps etc seem to show that to be true.</p>
<p>What you are saying is right with regards to phrases that have no current results on Google, but practically what use is that? I could build a site called &#8220;badgers using plug-in kettles on ice&#8221; tomorrow and I bet I could get straight to the top of Google for that phrase.</p>
<p>My point is this. I am only using the Scottish part f the hotel booking database, I&#8217;ve written a blog which is updated regularly, I&#8217;ve written over 50 pages of unique content, what visitors I&#8217;ve had (from yahoo) say they find my site very useful, and yet it&#8217;s nowhere to be seen on Google. There is no question to me that Google is penalising my site for being an affilliate. The affilliate program is perfectly legitimate, perfectly legal and above board. I poured all my savings into getting my site done, and I believe its of genuine use to people looking for Scotland Hotels. However, because Google conrols 80% of the UK search market, they can dictate terms to little guys like me. Its just wrong, in my opinion. I am very disheartened by the whole experience, and my little dream of being able to make money from my remote highland home is fading fast.
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